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	<title>Comments on: Hiring on potential &#8211; does it exist or is it only about what you have done?</title>
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		<title>By: Rita</title>
		<link>http://blog.sixfigures.com.au/2010/02/02/hiring-on-potential-does-it-exist-or-is-it-only-about-what-you-have-done/#comment-1864</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rita]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is indeed such a relevant discussion. I worked in the IT industry for over 10 years but my ‘career’ or vocational choice is sustainability and CSR. Yet whenever I met with executive search representatives they inevitably wanted to categorise my career opportunities in IT yet I was desperate to change industries. I may have been exposed to the IT industry because that was the business of the company that employed me but my expertise is in sustainability. After many months I was finally offered a sustainability role with an energy company. Yes, the industry is vastly different but the core principles of sustainability were not. And most importantly I was highly motivated to commit myself to understanding the industry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is indeed such a relevant discussion. I worked in the IT industry for over 10 years but my ‘career’ or vocational choice is sustainability and CSR. Yet whenever I met with executive search representatives they inevitably wanted to categorise my career opportunities in IT yet I was desperate to change industries. I may have been exposed to the IT industry because that was the business of the company that employed me but my expertise is in sustainability. After many months I was finally offered a sustainability role with an energy company. Yes, the industry is vastly different but the core principles of sustainability were not. And most importantly I was highly motivated to commit myself to understanding the industry.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Norton</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate Norton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 09:58:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s amazing how often people get stuck on experience, and we have been lucky to have developed a culture which accepts people &#039;just outside the square.  One of the real benefits we have in our company is people wanting to work there and sending their resumes and letters of introduction - you often get a vastly different impression than when someone is applying for a specific role.  We have a bit of history of of recruiting &#039;good&#039; people - often when we hadn&#039;t necessarily had a job.  When we find these ones with &#039;potential&#039;, we often then fit them into the strategic puzzle for the future growth of both parties! Sometimes this has taken up to 12-18 months, but it works very well when there is strongly communicated and understood company goals, and HR is closely involved in the strategic goal setting process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s amazing how often people get stuck on experience, and we have been lucky to have developed a culture which accepts people &#8216;just outside the square.  One of the real benefits we have in our company is people wanting to work there and sending their resumes and letters of introduction &#8211; you often get a vastly different impression than when someone is applying for a specific role.  We have a bit of history of of recruiting &#8216;good&#8217; people &#8211; often when we hadn&#8217;t necessarily had a job.  When we find these ones with &#8216;potential&#8217;, we often then fit them into the strategic puzzle for the future growth of both parties! Sometimes this has taken up to 12-18 months, but it works very well when there is strongly communicated and understood company goals, and HR is closely involved in the strategic goal setting process.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Magowan</title>
		<link>http://blog.sixfigures.com.au/2010/02/02/hiring-on-potential-does-it-exist-or-is-it-only-about-what-you-have-done/#comment-1856</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kelly Magowan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 04:06:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are many terrific points being raised and clearly there is some murky ground here - particularly around defining ‘potential’.  The topic of defining potential perhaps belongs to a whole other post.  Technical skills certainly carry different weightings for different roles however until more businesses engage in strategic recruitment and factor in a candidates potential - they will miss out on the talent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many terrific points being raised and clearly there is some murky ground here &#8211; particularly around defining ‘potential’.  The topic of defining potential perhaps belongs to a whole other post.  Technical skills certainly carry different weightings for different roles however until more businesses engage in strategic recruitment and factor in a candidates potential &#8211; they will miss out on the talent.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Robinson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like to think that I&#039;m always thinking that I need to &quot;Hire for attitude and train for skill&quot;. I guess it is a similar train of thought. 

The problem comes when you have some specific requirements that need to be met. Many or maybe most organisations never seem to engage in strategic recruitment therefore they are always trying to fill a gap now! 

It doesn&#039;t seem to matter how many studies are done that shows the long term benefits no one ever gets the budget to hire above current requirements. 

I think a lot is driven by the continual desire to achieve short term financial gains, whether that be for shareholder value, bonus schemes or just to keep the business afloat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to think that I&#8217;m always thinking that I need to &#8220;Hire for attitude and train for skill&#8221;. I guess it is a similar train of thought. </p>
<p>The problem comes when you have some specific requirements that need to be met. Many or maybe most organisations never seem to engage in strategic recruitment therefore they are always trying to fill a gap now! </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t seem to matter how many studies are done that shows the long term benefits no one ever gets the budget to hire above current requirements. </p>
<p>I think a lot is driven by the continual desire to achieve short term financial gains, whether that be for shareholder value, bonus schemes or just to keep the business afloat.</p>
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		<title>By: Lesley Hardy</title>
		<link>http://blog.sixfigures.com.au/2010/02/02/hiring-on-potential-does-it-exist-or-is-it-only-about-what-you-have-done/#comment-1854</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lesley Hardy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with Ross.  I work in an internal recruitment capacity for a large and complex organisation.  Like Ross, I wasnt hired for my recruitment skills and in fact left the industry for a bit to hone some related skills before coming back.

When I am on a panel, I use my influencing skills where appropriate to turn managers minds to potential to a point.  If the technical skills are a critical requirement, we don&#039;t hire on potential, but often we are able to spot the stars in the making and I will advocate on this point where I feel it is useful.

It&#039;s never black and white and never should it be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Ross.  I work in an internal recruitment capacity for a large and complex organisation.  Like Ross, I wasnt hired for my recruitment skills and in fact left the industry for a bit to hone some related skills before coming back.</p>
<p>When I am on a panel, I use my influencing skills where appropriate to turn managers minds to potential to a point.  If the technical skills are a critical requirement, we don&#8217;t hire on potential, but often we are able to spot the stars in the making and I will advocate on this point where I feel it is useful.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s never black and white and never should it be.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Westley</title>
		<link>http://blog.sixfigures.com.au/2010/02/02/hiring-on-potential-does-it-exist-or-is-it-only-about-what-you-have-done/#comment-1853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Peter Westley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe that past performance is a reliable and clear indicator of future probable performance and I agree with Ross Clennett in his post above that &#039;potential&#039; more likely reflects an individual&#039;s ability to apply skills in a new technical, business or industry environment.

I also think that attitude is the ability to apply those skills elsewhere. This is rarely recognised by an employer because they are perhaps too focussed on getting a perfect technical skill match.

I&#039;d take 90% less ability for 10% more attitude any day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that past performance is a reliable and clear indicator of future probable performance and I agree with Ross Clennett in his post above that &#8216;potential&#8217; more likely reflects an individual&#8217;s ability to apply skills in a new technical, business or industry environment.</p>
<p>I also think that attitude is the ability to apply those skills elsewhere. This is rarely recognised by an employer because they are perhaps too focussed on getting a perfect technical skill match.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d take 90% less ability for 10% more attitude any day.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Searle</title>
		<link>http://blog.sixfigures.com.au/2010/02/02/hiring-on-potential-does-it-exist-or-is-it-only-about-what-you-have-done/#comment-1852</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell Searle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hear, hear! I thoroughly agree. The Age of Unreason has also been on my bookshelf for nearly 20 years and it&#039;s still pertinent.

As for hiring on potential, I&#039;ve been in the IT business for 30 years and while I have a large body of work behind me, employers are mostly interested in technology that is 10 years old or less. On the basis of simple mathematics, this means that two thirds of my experience doesn&#039;t count.

By contrast, I have always worked in my own time to develop new skills in new technologies, I get better every year and I am now further away from reaching my limits than ever. If employers were genuinely interested in my potential I would be playing a whole new ball game. And yes, I would be quite happy to take a pay cut to work with anybody smart enough to recognise the real potential of their work force.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hear, hear! I thoroughly agree. The Age of Unreason has also been on my bookshelf for nearly 20 years and it&#8217;s still pertinent.</p>
<p>As for hiring on potential, I&#8217;ve been in the IT business for 30 years and while I have a large body of work behind me, employers are mostly interested in technology that is 10 years old or less. On the basis of simple mathematics, this means that two thirds of my experience doesn&#8217;t count.</p>
<p>By contrast, I have always worked in my own time to develop new skills in new technologies, I get better every year and I am now further away from reaching my limits than ever. If employers were genuinely interested in my potential I would be playing a whole new ball game. And yes, I would be quite happy to take a pay cut to work with anybody smart enough to recognise the real potential of their work force.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross Clennett</title>
		<link>http://blog.sixfigures.com.au/2010/02/02/hiring-on-potential-does-it-exist-or-is-it-only-about-what-you-have-done/#comment-1851</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ross Clennett]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post,Kelly. 

What actually is &#039;potential&#039;? I think this is where the problem starts. 

To me &#039;potential&#039; describes behavioural competencies (or transferable skills) rather than existing technical skills. Most organisations are hopeless at building a competency framework which does three things;

i) identifies the specific competencies required to be successful in that job, team and organisation
ii) identifies the current level of each employee&#039;s relevant competencies, and
iii) has a clear plan to develop each employee&#039;s competencies to the required level

Organisations who take these three steps are light years ahead of their competitors because they take a proactive approach to their employees&#039; &#039;potential&#039;. Organisations who do not take these steps will always be left guesssing about each employees&#039; &#039;potential&#039; and as a result will almost always take the safe option and hire &#039;previous experience&#039;.

When I was first hired as a recruiter 21 years ago I had no recruitment skills at all but I did have &#039;potential&#039; based on my specific behavioural competencies of Influencing, Persistence, and Achievement Drive.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post,Kelly. </p>
<p>What actually is &#8216;potential&#8217;? I think this is where the problem starts. </p>
<p>To me &#8216;potential&#8217; describes behavioural competencies (or transferable skills) rather than existing technical skills. Most organisations are hopeless at building a competency framework which does three things;</p>
<p>i) identifies the specific competencies required to be successful in that job, team and organisation<br />
ii) identifies the current level of each employee&#8217;s relevant competencies, and<br />
iii) has a clear plan to develop each employee&#8217;s competencies to the required level</p>
<p>Organisations who take these three steps are light years ahead of their competitors because they take a proactive approach to their employees&#8217; &#8216;potential&#8217;. Organisations who do not take these steps will always be left guesssing about each employees&#8217; &#8216;potential&#8217; and as a result will almost always take the safe option and hire &#8216;previous experience&#8217;.</p>
<p>When I was first hired as a recruiter 21 years ago I had no recruitment skills at all but I did have &#8216;potential&#8217; based on my specific behavioural competencies of Influencing, Persistence, and Achievement Drive.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wylie</title>
		<link>http://blog.sixfigures.com.au/2010/02/02/hiring-on-potential-does-it-exist-or-is-it-only-about-what-you-have-done/#comment-1850</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark Wylie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:13:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never seen an ad that seeks potential; nor have I experienced employers that give you a passionate chance in an interview; they&#039;ve only ever got to their position by following the upward sameness pathway - playing the game to please their boss]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never seen an ad that seeks potential; nor have I experienced employers that give you a passionate chance in an interview; they&#8217;ve only ever got to their position by following the upward sameness pathway &#8211; playing the game to please their boss</p>
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